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Cheaper Astro-Imaging
30 November 2020 - 4 Comments
Posted by David Woods
Cheaper Astro-Imaging

Nov 2020


Without stating the obvious, there is a lot of stuff we buy that's imported by the US Dollar which comes from China. It's mostly single source too, so hunting for a new bargain is folly, as dealers work from the same price list. Equally, there's a huge amount of stuff for sale secondhand, since COVID-19 made astronomy the lockdown hobby of 2020. Apart from your local astronomy clubs there's also the Facebook groups, Astro Buy/Sell UK and companies like ENS Optical.

Then, there's Us.

If you think about it, there are literally tens of thousands of computerised EQ mounts in the UK (and across Europe too). It's possible to pick up a bargain, but HEQ5 and EQ6 mounts can be pricey secondhand, (sorry, not sorry) so they should be circa £450-£600 for an HEQ5, and £500-£700 for an NEQ6 dependant on age or condition. It's still worth going down this route and sending us the mount for a once over, as well as tuning it to extract more performance. It's likely that the mount is several years old and while it may be an improvement on the one you've already got, like a secondhand car it won't be as good as the one in the showroom.

If it's not been serviced or rebuilt and sold as a 'tuned' mount then do check for damage. Especially on the EQ6 around by the RA collar behind the polar-scope. If there are teeth marks from a strap, or, if you get a chance to take out the polarscope, check the end of the shaft. They're often hit by a hammer. Hard. Very Hard. Not advised on what is a precision mount. Adjust price accordingly, or walk away.

The EQ3-2, EQ5-HEQ5-EQ6-NEQ6-AZEQ6GT are all popular, but older Meade LXD55/75 are not. Flaky electrics that don't do damp, and are now legacy products. Celestron's like the CG5-GT, AVX and CGems, can all be guided, and will certainly benefit from a QHY Polemaster. However, I've seen few successfully guide over 15 minutes and they are difficult to extract more performance from. Again, bit of logic and shameless plug, one of our StellarDrive or StellarTune Mounts do occasionally come up for sale, and even though they often attract a premium, they still outperform new mounts, even at 3-5 years after rebuild.

Secondhand iOptrons are a bit rarer in the UK, due to their numbers but their performance is unquestionable. The ZEQ25 does require care, as it suffers overcurrent issues, and needs careful balancing due its geometry. They are however, all interesting mounts. If you're lucky enough to bag a CEM25P, or CEM60 then it can be a very trusty steed.

Don't forget to check out webcams and older CCD's and CMOS cameras that work with PHD guiding and programmes like SharpCap. The cooled stuff is not cheap and normally kept for years, as it's so fast moving they date quickly. Increasingly, you'll find some of the old cameras do still work with Windows 10, do your own research on the drivers. Download the latest copy of PHD2, and see from the list what it runs, before you go out searching. Which ones, you ask? ZWO and QHY have the lions share of the low to mid range cameras, as its sensor control that dominates here as much as quantum efficiency.

Same with DSLR's, anything more than a Canon EOS 450D is ideal as a secondhand imaging camera. I have an EOS700D, which is perfect, as the flip-out screen is really useful, and you find this on the EOS600D onwards. Just remember it's the sensor you need, not the funky features, unless you're using it for daytime photography too. The venerable EOS40D is built like a tank, but the 50D is the one to have as it's more sensitive and 15.2Mp. Avoid the Canon EOS 7D Mark 1 however, as although it's a great day time camera (for sports especially), it's too noisy for astro work, but the MkII isn't, Full frame EOS 5D's are getting quite affordable too, if you want to get into full frame that is. Just be aware of vignetting on smaller scopes and focusers, certainly M48 adapters help. Bigger focuser are better. I'd check out Wexphotographic.com of MBP.com for latest prices and availability on used camera bodies, as well as London Camera Exchange.

Add an Astronomik CLS Clip-In filter to pull out detail under more light polluted skies, with greater contrast and nebulosity.

Laptops, yep, buy used. You won't cry if you drop it in the dark. Add Ram, SSD, new battery and a 12v to 19v adapter. Waste juice if you use voltage invertors. And, no you are collecting data, not processing, so don't need an Intel i7, with 32gb Ram, 3gb graphics and a 17" high-Rez screen, that you'll reverse over with your car.

Yes, it's a thing. OK? ;-)

Telescopes, what about them? That's another blog I've been penning as I know a lot about them too, and rebuild them sometimes. Oh yes. I tune telescopes too, but too much time building mounts stops play.

Please feel free to give us a call or (023 9257 0283) or email for latest used stock list, as it moves fast. Honestly, I don't care where you buy from, providing you get the right gear and the best advice.

I know we can help with at least one of those things.

I will be updating this blog when I have time to, and adding to it as it comes to me.

Dave.
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Joe Szwarc 03 December 2020
Hello, I live in the US. I read some of your information and saw some videos. It is assume that you can tune older mounts. As for me, I have a old Criterion 8in reflector that I would love to capture some deep space objects plus introduce my sons to the hobby. My original motorized EQT mount is inadequate. The scope currently weighs about 8 kilograms without mounting hardware. And I would need to allow weight for a proper guide scope and camera. Do you have a tuned Go To mount for me for sale? If not, what do you recommend as a budget and mid rang mount?
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Allan L. Branson, Ph.D. 28 March 2024
Hey Dave, you guys worked on my Skywatcher EQ35 and I am over the moon with the fine job you did. I cannot praise you guys enough and Sharon for holding my hand throughout the process as I live in the States. You guys were and are amazing!!! I just wanted to thank you again for your professionalism and lack of BS. And shout out to Astrobiscuit whose YouTube video directed me to you. Thanks again, Clear Skies
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Simon 18 March 2021
I enjoyed reading this and probably abut sums me up at the moment. I like the WO 71mm that you have as I think/want to start DS Asto as I have had my 8 inch SCT in storage too long, the kids are older and time to get back to imaging. However, I am on that research analysis paralysis where I am choosing first which mount, APO ED or Triplet Now Quad! Camera Canon, which one there are so many!!, I have a mac, but dust off my Windows Xp will this do, not sure, shall I get my DSLR IR filter removed, can I do it so as you can see there are so many questions! :-) There is so much to think about I think I would like to at least discuss what Mounts and scope you have and what to do. Thanks for great article !! Simon
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Lalith Siriwardana 22 January 2021
Dear Dave, I need huge support from you. I plan to start astrophotography from sri lanka.pro blem is latitude adjustment must be 6.8. When most mount adjustment done counter weight hit the mount.(Meade, celestron ) Do you sell the sky watcher mounts which are modified to sub arc second guide? Sky watcher eq6 pro would be great. doesn't matter little use one. Please advise me regarding this matter and I wish to buy eq6 pro modified. Please let me know the total price of mount + shipping +modification Thank you! Kind regards Lalith Siriwardana lpssiriwardana@gmail.com 00940775872876
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